Strong State Polls Today

I thought that I would bring everyone a little mid-convention cheer today.  For what it's worth, Time has just released poll results showing Obama doing very well in Western states:

Colorado: McCain 47, Obama 46
Pennsylvania: Obama 48, McCain 43
Nevada: Obama 49, McCain 44
New Mexico: Obama 53, McCain 40

http://thepage.time.com/2008/08/27/timec nn-battleground-polls/

Additionally, word is that Plouffe is quite optimistic about our chances in November:

Barack Obama's margin among independent swing-voting women and sporadically voting Democrats are two of the main metrics his campaign is closely monitoring, Obama's election manager, David Plouffe, said today.

Plouffe, speaking to reporters, editors and executives of the Atlantic Media company in a throwback conference room in downtown Denver, said that Obama's internal polling suggests that McCain runs a double-digit deficit with this group runs into the double digits in some swing states. "And that's before they know about his position on choice and that he's against equal pay," Plouffe said.

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Other nuggets from Plouffe:

* If McCain doesn't win Colorado, "he has a 5% chance to win the election."

* He believes that they have "a slight edge" in Virginia.

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* Said HIllary Clinton's speech "could not have gone better."

* Said the campaign "is really pleased" with where they are in Montana.

http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/arch ives/2008/08/barack_mccains_margin_among _in.php

Update: Obamafan notes a new Florida poll from New Orlando Sentinel/Mason-Dixon with Obama at 45% and McCain at 44%, with 11% undecided.



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Colorado sucks... (none / 0)

Obama retook the lead in most of the other polls. I guess we still have A LOT of work there. Otherwise, as long as we maintain good leads in all these other states & win Ohio, Virginia, and/or Florida, we win hands down. :-)


No way, no how, no McCain! :-)
by atdleft on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 05:16:58 PM EST

Colorado (none / 0)

is probably going to come down to the wire...I'd say focus big on Larimer County and huge GOTV in Denver and the liberal bastions in the mountains like Aspen.


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 05:19:47 PM EST
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Re: Colorado (2.00 / 1)

As many have said before, if it's within 2%, we will win because of ground organization.


"Hey, check it out. You just had yourself a glue OD. So you're learning another lesson. Don't do too much glue, or your night sucks."
by vcalzone on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 05:23:36 PM EST
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Re: Strong State Polls Today (2.00 / 1)

Please add Florida to the List:
New Orlando Sentinel/Mason-Dixon Poll/Aug. 25-26/625 Likely Voters/MOE 4.0
Barack Obama (D) 45 %
John McCain (R) 44 %
Undecided 11 %

Just a remember:
Mason-Dixon Ohio Cleveland Plain Dealer Poll may come out Saturday.


by Obamafan on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 05:18:27 PM EST

Re: Strong State Polls Today (none / 0)

Florida is really a toss-up. I'm actually quite shocked. I was sure that Obama could not win there.

If McCain has to play defense in Florida, he is screwed.


by sweet potato pie on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 05:20:27 PM EST
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Florida (none / 0)

may be three things...new registration, PUMA coming around, and depressed conservative turnout.

New registration boomed in Florida, even after the primary (my cousin just moved there and she never voted before and at age 23 is supporting Obama...after originally supporting Hillary). The right-wing fascists from Scarborough's district probably aren't too thrilled with McCain and will likely stay home (Huckabee won up there), and there's probably some depressed Romney supporters around Jacksonville.

It wouldn't shock me if Obama pulled off an upset in Florida.


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 05:35:09 PM EST
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Re: Strong State Polls Today (none / 0)

The FL number is nice, hopefully it will grow.


by notedgeways on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 05:23:52 PM EST
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Re: Strong State Polls Today (none / 0)

Strategic Vision has McCain +7.  It's like they're polling completely different states.


by rfahey22 on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 05:28:07 PM EST
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lol (none / 0)

Strategic Vision has McCain up 7, that means he's up 2


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 05:35:35 PM EST
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Re: Strong State Polls Today (none / 0)

Florida's voting patterns are changing rapidly.  

- Kerry won among 18-29 year olds by 58-41

  • The Cuban vote is shifting Democratic rapidly
  • Governor Crist restored voting rights to most ex-felons

I think the state is likely to be a pleasant surprise in November.


by CA Pol Junkie on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 05:30:38 PM EST
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Re: Strong State Polls Today (none / 0)

The New Mexico result is... questionable. That's one of the worst outliers we've seen this entire cycle.


"Hey, check it out. You just had yourself a glue OD. So you're learning another lesson. Don't do too much glue, or your night sucks."
by vcalzone on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 05:24:24 PM EST

Re: Strong State Polls Today (none / 0)

Nevada might be, too, but I'm not complaining.


by rfahey22 on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 05:26:19 PM EST
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Re: Strong State Polls Today (none / 0)

Nevada and New Mexico are pleasant surprises at least.  We'll know after the GOP convention how things are shaping up for November.  Obama's vastly superior organization and greater voter enthusiasm is probably good for 1-2 point overperformance relative to the pollsters' likely voter models.


by CA Pol Junkie on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 05:26:34 PM EST

Re: Strong State Polls Today (none / 0)

If Obama carries Ohio, Virginia, Colorado, OR Nevada, he will almost certainly win the election.


by KTinOhio on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 05:31:19 PM EST

Re: Strong State Polls Today (none / 0)

The Florida Poll was done by Mason-Dixon considered as the best Pollster in the Country.


by Obamafan on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 05:35:04 PM EST

Just who considers them as such? (none / 0)


John McCain
by MILiberal on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 06:13:42 PM EST
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Re: Strong State Polls Today (none / 0)

Obama up 1 in florida???
please give us a break!!
and up 13 in NM???
what an outlier!!!
by darlene25 on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 05:39:50 PM EST

Um (none / 0)

well I've give you that he's not up 13 in New Mexico, but he's certaintly up here.


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 05:41:53 PM EST
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Re: Strong State Polls Today (none / 0)

I just report, you decide.


by rfahey22 on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 05:45:52 PM EST
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Re: Strong State Polls Today (none / 0)

MOAR PUNCTUATION PLZ!!?!?!?!?!


"In the unlikely story that is America, there has never been anything false about hope." -Barack Obama
by blueAZ on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 06:22:58 PM EST
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New Mexico and Nevada are garbage polls (none / 0)

State polls are laughable. I allow private chuckles every day when posters fixate on state polls. It's screams of novice.

The national margin dictates where the states will fall in line, and national averaging is very accurate. If Obama leads nationally by a couple of points, he doesn't lead New Mexico by 13 or Nevada by 5. High comedy.

I've lived in Nevada for 20+ years. The state has 34-37% self-identified conservatives in every survey. That's the foundational reference point, not flimsy state polls. I'm amazed analysts who look for mathematical guidelines are so content to ignore those liberal/conservative percentages. Obviously they never actually wager on this stuff or they wouldn't be so comfortably dense.

The cow counties are allowed to vote in Nevada. Clark County under performs. Every local political analyst talks about the GOP advantages statewide in Nevada. That is legit, and doesn't equate to a 5 point Obama lead in Nevada unless he leads nationally by similar margin. The Hispanic numbers in Nevada do not yet translate to the voting booth -- not legal, not yet 18, or not registered.

On the other hand, the Florida margin is logical. McCain has been over stated in Florida. There's zero chance Obama falters by 5-6 points compared to his national number in Florida, yet that's what some sites want us to believe, based on their blindfolded clutching of state polls.

Florida in 2004 was 20% liberal, 34% conservative. In 2006 it was 20% liberal, 33% conservative. That is the definition of a swing state, about 1-2% more conservative than the nation itself. That's Florida. It went to dead even with the nation in 2000 when we caught the GOP napping, taking the state for granted. Obama may trail where Hillary would have been in Florida by about 1% due to demographic weakness, but not several points. The surveys that pretend Obama will significantly lead or trail a generic Democrat in a given state are crappiola.

The liberal/conservative percentages scream, among other things, that Indiana is not a swing state regardless of state polls, and Florida is very much in play. Deny the fundamentals are your peril.


by Gary Kilbride on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 07:07:21 PM EST


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